wchr
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Post by wchr on Jan 15, 2011 21:32:57 GMT
btfm wrote: "One word to the wise though. Don't just pop up, say "I wrote this, please RT it" and then beggar off again. Twitter works when you interact and participate. Talk to other folk on Twitter about what they are talking about. Don't try to steer the conversation towards your blog. It is, really, like any other party conversation. Don't be a crushing bore, and you'll get invited back."
That all makes sense, but it's also why I can't be doing with twitter. I know it's likely at the cost of increasing my traffic, but I just don;t have the time to involved with inane cyber-talk for the sake of my numbers. By the time I actually do get a twitter account, the online world will probably have moved on to some other method of self-insemination.
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Post by A.D. Winn on Jan 17, 2011 23:16:25 GMT
One word to the wise though. Don't just pop up, say "I wrote this, please RT it" and then beggar off again. Twitter works when you interact and participate. Talk to other folk on Twitter about what they are talking about. Don't try to steer the conversation towards your blog. couldn't agree more. I've had people follow me, ask me to read / proofread / edit work without so much as a "hello, im... " then unfollow within the day because I haven't responded. because you'd do that IRL, right? if you don't interact, or least attempt to use twitter (or any social media for that matter) for what it was created for, then dont expect feedback, favours or even readers to your blog. and without readers, you're not going to get very far.
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Post by lanternerouge on Jan 19, 2011 17:29:43 GMT
Some good comments here. I am slowly learning about twitter etiquette but know I must occasionally have annoyed people.
I have drawn journalists' attention to a couple of our blog posts before but feel coy about doing so unless I know they will definitely be interested. If we post on - say - Hull City - I know I have a couple of Hull supporting followers so will draw their attention to it directly.
I have heard varying opinions on the ethics of retweeting - I know some feel that retweeting a retweet of one's own tweet is bad form. Any thoughts?
I'd also not get too het up about people not following you - if your stuff is good enough and your tweets are interesting (I rarely achieve this), people will follow.
Above all, it's a great way to find out quickly about excellent blog posts on other sites. Like Ian, I wasn't keen to start with but am now a convert!
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Post by footballhobo on Jan 19, 2011 17:55:53 GMT
I'd assume by retweeting a tweet of your own you mean constantly plugging the same piece? As with all things, I think moderation is fine - if all you use it for is to plug things of yours then people will quickly switch off, but if you're engaging in conversations, RT'ing other peoples' pieces and generally getting involved then there's more leeway. If someone's left a comment about your piece like "Awesome stuff! RT @xblogger Read my new piece here www.xxx.com" then I'd say that it's fair enough to do that (letting people know you've got a compliment and that someoen else has enjoyed your piece), but avoid doing it for every RT you get. A more productive way of going about it might be thanking people for an RT and engaging them? If they enjoyed it and get some interaction/thanks off you then they're more likely to RT your stuff in future, which is what you ultiamtely want, isn't it? Sticking up a link to the same piece a few times I'd say is fair game - after all, twitter is quite transient in nature, and if you tweet something at 9am then the person who logs on at 12 probably won't bother going that far back to find it. I couldn't say that I have any rules about it, but doing something a few times over the course of the day is fine (assuming you're tweeting other stuff, too), but spamming the same thing repeatedly in a short space of time, or tweeting the same article more than a couple of times is bad form, I'd say. The bigger hitters (those with established sites and huge followings on twitter) need to rely on this less than the upstarts like myself, but even then you'll find most people accepting of the odd bit of self-promotion. If you don't promote yourself, after all, who's going to do it for you?
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Post by lanternerouge on Jan 20, 2011 8:46:46 GMT
Dead right Alan - I think moderation is the key. I'll usually draw people's attention to one of our posts 2 or 3 times over the course of a day but quickly know when I'm flogging a dead horse - the silence can sometimes be overwhelming!! Tweeting other sites' posts is also a great way of building up goodwill. You're also right about giving thanks for retweets.
One other point I'd like to make is that with a few exceptions - generally The Guardian - following famous people seems to be a mug's game. Footballers in particular rarely say anything interesting. Like any community, the people I enjoy following the most are those with similar aims and interests - so, the people on this forum basically.
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Post by rokerreport on Jan 21, 2011 9:17:32 GMT
When we do a new piece I have a put it on Facebook, Twitter and the relevant forums. Then leave it for a bit. If I notice Twitter has gone a bit quiet I'll put something like "If you're all so bored why not read this?" etc.
Seems to be working, much higher percentage of hits are coming from Twitter now.
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Post by rokerreport on Jan 21, 2011 9:18:53 GMT
Mind, if perchance any of you are following us on Twitter rokerreport - I will apologise now for the absurd amount of tweets. Between me and the other writers we're having a bit of a promotional blitz today. This doesn't happen often, don't worry. In fact this is the first time.
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Post by the72 on Jan 25, 2011 17:21:08 GMT
Sorry if this sounds a bit like a soapbox job but...
Most football bloggers follow a lot of other bloggers and journalists, so when you ask the world and his wife to retweet something, it clogs up lots of peoples' timelines.
Also, when you send someone something on Twitter, they can decide whether they want to RT something or not. They don't need you to say "Read and RT". I don't know what others think but personally I just find it incredibly irritating. Why can't people just say "thought you might like this..." - people who constantly ask for people to read every blog they write are like cold callers.
Unless it's from a really big hitter, retweets won't get you many views anyway, it's forums you need to appeal to, so just use hashtags for the clubs and hope someone posts it on a forum. If it's good enough, it will get seen.
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Post by ChrisN on Jan 25, 2011 17:48:53 GMT
Completely agree with that. Asking for RTs is acceptable in some cases but for every old article it's just desperate.
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Post by rokerreport on Jan 27, 2011 6:25:08 GMT
I only ask for an RT if I feel some very good work is going unnoticed. I can stomach some 'filler' for lack of a better word falling by the wayside.
Also I think begging for an RT is pretty lame, but I think it's acceptable to put something along the lines of 'RT if you liked it' etc.
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Post by plinyharris on Jan 28, 2011 18:33:17 GMT
My RT etiquette would only be if it's urgent. Maybe some nutter's turfing a club from their ground, etc. Haven't requested RTs for anything yet, ever.
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Post by ryanhubbard on Feb 7, 2011 12:16:25 GMT
Retweeting other peoples' work is important. If people follow you, they are interested in similar things. Therefore if you find something interesting, the chances are that some of your followers will find it interesting too.
Also, if you retweet a fellow blogger's work, the author is more likely to gain interest in your own work and will be more likely to retweet a piece in the future.
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Post by richard on Feb 8, 2011 12:31:42 GMT
I'm gradually getting the hang of twitter now. Don't like pleading for RTs you'll all be glad to hear and trying to get into converstaions with people and contribute etc.
One question. What on earth is that list thing mean?
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Post by ryanhubbard on Feb 8, 2011 12:46:22 GMT
Lists are a way to organise the people that you follow on Twitter .You can create a list for Football Bloggers, one for Celebrities, one for friends, etc.
It theoretically makes your Twitter feed easier to handle.
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Post by footballhobo on Feb 8, 2011 21:31:07 GMT
Lists are a way to organise the people that you follow on Twitter .You can create a list for Football Bloggers, one for Celebrities, one for friends, etc. It theoretically makes your Twitter feed easier to handle. You can also add people to lists that you don't follow, so if there's people you might be vaguely interested in but don't want to clog up your timeline you can stick them in a list and dip in and out of it.
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